(Madam Speaker in the Chair) (6.54 p.m.) Office of the President – Programme Code 0101: Presidency Affairs was called. The Chairperson: You have a question?

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. May I refer to page 2, Item 22900 – Other Goods and Services. There is an increase from Rs6,300,000 to Rs9,000,000. Can we be provided with more information with regards to the increase?

That is provision for uniforms, provision for personal secretariat of retired Presidents and Governor General. The Chairperson: Thank you, yes. You have a question?

Madam Chairperson, may I ask the Prime Minister, on page 2, item 21110.005 – Extra Assistance. There is an increase of 159% for this financial year. May we know, firstly the number of Advisers that are being appointed, if we can be provided with their names, qualifications, and the total remuneration, in kind and in cash that they will perceive? The Chairperson: No! No! All you need to know is why it has been increased. Well, let us see what the Prime Minister has to say.

I ought to know. I am entitled to know. The Prime Minster: You might be entitled to know but I am not entitled to give you if I don’t know. Do you think that I can get you all the names? Where do I get this?

But it has to be provided. The Prime Minster: I can table it. Of course, I can table it but I will not be able to give you all the names now. I can table it. But can you tell me again on which page and what number?

21110.005 – Extra Assistance, Page 2. The Prime Minster: It is about increase in provision to cater for salaries and allowances payable to three Advisers and they are Advisers to the current President of the Republic. He is entitled to have advisers; he has taken his Advisers. I can give you the names later. Office of the President – Programme Code 0101: Presidency Affairs (115,500,000) was, on question out, agreed to. (6.59 p.m.) Office Of the Vice-President – Programme Code 0102: Vice-Presidency Affairs was called. The Chairperson: Okay. National Assembly.

I have a question. The Chairperson: But you didn’t say. I looked.

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Members, I have said it in the past –je ne suis pas une maîtresse d'école, arrêtez. Si vous voulez qu’on gagne du temps, vous me laissez faire. J’ai un peu petit peu d’autorité je crois. Allez-y mais faites-vous bien remarquer à chaque fois. Allez-y, je vous écoute.

Yes, thank you. Page 4, item 21110.005 – Extra Assistance. I will ask the same question to the Prime Minister. There is a 35 % increase. May we know the number of Advisers that have been appointed, their names, qualifications and remuneration, in kind and in cash, please, if the hon. Prime Minister can provide us later? The Prime Minster: We mentioned earlier in the speech; you were not here. This is why we tried to clarify. Anybody is called advisers. Now, here for example, you have two household attendants but they are classified as advisers. The is one cook classified as adviser. They are not advisers but this is something we want to cure because people think that that the Vice-President is taking so many Advisers but it is not that. Basically, this item refers to the basic salaries of about Rs6,175,000. Then there is salary compensation. Then you have allowances, you have house allowance, duty allowance and so on. Then you have extra assistance; the extra assistance is for payment of salaries of one Adviser – one cook and two household attendants. I will let you about the name of the Adviser but this is what I have to say. Office Of the Vice-President – Programme Code 0102: Vice-Presidency Affairs (Rs21,500,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (7.02 p.m.) National Assembly – Programme Code 0103: Parliamentary Affairs was called. The Chairperson: Yes, Leader of the Opposition, do you have a question?

Can we go to Page 8, item – 31112.442 – Upgrading of Building? Can we have more information with regard to item – (b) Repairs of Old Parliament House? The Chairperson: It’s taking place, right now, by the way.

This is a project that was supposed to be implemented in the last financial year, but it was not. It was delayed for some reason. So, it had to be reprogrammed. The Chairperson: Yes!

The same page, item 31122.824 - Acquisition of Equipment for Live Broadcasting (Studio for Parliament TV). Can we have an indication of the type of equipment we are talking about?

In fact, it is exactly what says. It is for live equipment. There is a live broadcasting studio that they have to upgrade. The Chairperson: Yes, for studio! C’est écrit. Can we have the vote? National Assembly - Programme Code 0103: Parliamentary Affairs (Rs268,200,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (7.04 p.m.) Electoral Supervisory Commission and Electoral Boundaries Commission - Programme Code 0104: Supervision of Electoral Activities and Review of Electoral Boundaries (Rs3,300,000) was called and agreed to. (7.05 p.m.) Electoral Commissioner’s Office – Programme Code 0105: Electoral Services was called. The Chairperson: Yes, hon. Lobine!

Yes, Madam Chairperson, on page 16, under caption Human Resources SN 6 - Electoral Officer, may we have more details as to why you have fundings for only 15 posts instead of 20, as was the case in the last financial year, please? The Chairperson: Have you found it?

In fact, they are saying that the funds provided are not for 20, but for 5 because they are 15. The Chairperson: Because?

They are 15. That is there are five less. The Chairperson: There are five less. Hon. François!

Thank you very much, Madam Chairperson. Page 15, Item 22120.016 - Fees icw Elections. Rs10,000,000, may I have some more details about this item, please?

This is provision for the fees for the Chairperson and the members of the boards. Electoral Commissioner’s Office - Programme Code 0105: Electoral Services (Rs123,500,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (7.08 p.m.) Judicial and Legal Service Commission - Programme Code 0106: Recruitment and Promotion of Judicial and Legal Officers (Rs3,000,000) was called and agreed to. (7.09 p.m.) The Judiciary – Programme Code 0107: Administration and Delivery of Justice was called. The Chairperson: Yes, question!

On page 20 Item 22030 – Rent, can we have information why is there such a big increase in rent, Madam Chairperson?

There is the rental for Curepipe District Court, for the Bambous District Court and Flacq District Court. Plus, there is the rental of parking slots for five managerial staffs as they work in the Supreme Court. It is the vicinity of the Supreme Court. Also, there is rental for CCTV at the new Court House. The Chairperson: Thank you, hon. Prime Minister. Yes, hon. François!

Thank you. On page 21, Item 27210.010 - Legal Assistance in "in forma pauperis", can the hon. Prime Minister table the number of cases and costs and also with the number of beneficiaries from Rodrigues, please?

Can you tell me the item number?

Item 27210.010.

For Social Assistance Benefits in Cash?

That is correct.

This is for legal advice and counselling during the recording of statement and the warning from detainees. There is also for legal representation when they apply for bail, and the expenditure for the different years.

Thank you. The Chairperson: Yes! Page 23?

May I ask the hon. Prime Minister on page 23, Human Resources, 48 et 61, Word Processing Operator and Court Usher, there is a reduction of nearly 20 posts, important posts for the functioning of justice being reduced. May we know why and what is going to be done?

He is asking a question about the page with the different titles, but not on the item as such.

No, but if I may, hon. Prime Minister?

If you go to page 25, …

You will see, in fact, the total is reducing. I wanted to know why is there the reduction and what will be done.

So, you are asking about the personal emoluments?

No, Human Resources. The Chairperson: I think what he wants, hon. Prime Minister, is why are there less Word Processing Operators.

There was a provision for 20 Word Processing Operators. It is not there anymore. The Chairperson: Et l’autre, c’était quoi?

Actually, for three posts. There is Court User and Senior Court Officer; all three posts have had reductions. We wanted to know what will be done.

For example, for the Court Usher, there are 65 in post.

From 74.

From 74. Probably, they are getting the message that they have to save money. The Chairperson: Time is up. Time is up. We have already done it. Time is up! The Judiciary – Programme Code 0107: Administration and Delivery of Justice (Rs806,600,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (7.13 p.m.) Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions – Programme Code 0108: Criminal Advisory and Litigation (Rs215,000,000) was called and agreed to. (7.14 p.m.) Public Service Commission and Disciplined Forces Service Commission – Programme Code 0109: Public Service and Disciplined Forces Service Affairs was called. The Chairperson: Yes, hon. François. Page please?

Yes, thank you, Madam Chairperson. Page 29, item 21110 – Personal Emoluments. Can we have the names of chairpersons and commissioners? The Chairperson: Of the PSC and DFSC, you can table. Please table.

It is already published now, me mo kapav re dir. The Chairperson: Yes, it is already public. Public Service Commission and Disciplined Forces Service Commission – Programme Code 0109: Public Service and Disciplined Forces Service Affairs (154,800,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (7.15 p.m.) Public Bodies Appeal Tribunal – Programme Code 0110: Determination of Appeals (Rs20,200,000) was called and agreed to. (7.15 p.m.) The following Programme Codes were called and agreed to - 0111: Office Of Ombudsman – Protection against Maladministration in the Public Sector (Rs20,500,000) 0112: National Audit Office – External Audit Services (Rs195,400,000) 0113: Employment Relations Tribunal – Industrial and Employment Dispute Resolution (Rs26,000,000) 0114: Local Government Service Commission – Local Government Service Affairs (Rs 56,500,000) 0115: National Human Rights Commission – Protection and Promotion of Human Rights (Rs37,000,000) 0116: Office of the Ombudsperson for Children – Protection of the Rights and Interests of Children (Rs26,600,000) (7.18 p.m.) Independent Police Complaints Commission – Programme Code 0117: Investigation into Complaints against Police Officers was called. The Chairperson: Yes, Mr Duval!

On page 53 – 01117: Investigation into Complaints against Police Officers, may I the hon. Prime Minister, how many formal charges have been lodged out of which successfully convicted? If he has for the last year, of course. The Chairperson: No, I do not think. You can put a PQ on this. Question?

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Everybody is going to tell me what to do. Okay, I am going to sit and relax. I am saying that you can put a PQ on this issue because all we need to know is the question of finance.

This is in terms of percentage. The Chairperson: Okay, percentage of? Stand up.

Madam Chairperson, it speaks of percentage of cases, disposed etc. I wanted to know how many formal charges have been lodged in the last financial year and how many have been successfully convicted? It is a fair question.

I can give him details but this should have been a question because if you think I will tell you how many charges and all this. Anyway, I will tell you, there were 4918 complaints. Out of these 4918 complaints, 2006 are still under investigation but 78 complaints have gone to Court but we are waiting for the Court determination and 2834 cases have been completed.

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Independent Police Complaints Commission – Programme Code 0117: Investigation into Complaints against Police Officers (Rs16,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (7.21 p.m.) Office of the Ombudsperson for Financial Services – Programme Code 0118: Protection of Consumers of Financial Services (Rs17,500,000) was called and agreed to. (7.21 p.m.) Financial Crimes Commission – Programme Code 0119: Combatting Financial Crimes was called. The Chairperson: Yes. Stand up!

Thank you, Madam Chairperson.

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Madam Chairperson, please, if you may ask them not to interrupt as soon as you rise. It completely breaks your concentration and it is very childish. Page 59, item 26313.164 – Financial Crimes Commission of which staff costs. The Chairperson: Okay, I can see it, Extra-Budgetary Units.

There is a notable increase in staff costs. May we know from the hon. Prime Minister the number of additional staff that is being recruited and will he kindly provide us the grades for which they are being recruited?

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We want to clean these corrupt people who are still stealing in different places. We have had to increase the number of staff. We are increasing the number of staff because there are too many people who have committed all kind of frauds and crimes during the regime of the MSM. We have to clean. So, we have increased the number of staff to 94 new posts. Secondly, I have also asked Scotland Yard to bring people to look at financial crimes, crimes and all these things. So, this also is going to cost.

May we know if the Prime Minister will kindly provide us with the grading, the posts, for which the 94 are being recruited?

That is advertised in the paper but I can table it. The Chairperson: It seems that there is a lot of information that is already available.

It is the role of this Assembly to examine…

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You expect me…

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You expect me to tell you the 94 grades?

Yes, but they have not yet been advertised.

No, you can wait.

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The Chairperson: Okay!

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So, we should not expect any answer now? An hon. Member: You won’t get any.

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The Chairperson: Are we going to work or stay until 2 o’clock in the morning?

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Financial Crimes Commission! Mr François, yes!

Yes, I have a question, Madam Chairperson. Page 59, Item 26313.164 – Financial Crimes Commission of which Other Operating Costs. Does this sum of Rs 50 million include the special missions to Rodrigues and can the hon. Prime Minister inform the House the number of missions carried out in Rodrigues for Financial Year 2024-2025 if available? Thank you.

They are independent as you know. I do not ask them how many times they are going. They do not have to tell me but it includes Rodrigues, yes. The Chairperson: Because Rodrigues is part of the Republic. Financial Crimes Commission - Programme Code 0119: Combatting Financial Crimes (Rs 415,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (7.25 p.m.) Programme Code 0201: Prime Minister's Office was called. The Chairperson: Prime Minister! Prime Minister’s Office, your office now.

We have a lot of questions. The Chairperson: Attention!

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Faites attention! Yes, hon. Leader of the Opposition!

Thank you, Madam Chairperson, page 64 Item 22900.985 - Expenses icw Chagos Archipelago, there is an increase of almost Rs15 million Can we have details with regard to that?

The increase is for catering of the following –  There is the creation of a marine protected area around the Chagos island that we plan to start working on. So, we put a sum of Rs5 million there;  There is the visit to Chagos Archipelago, and then  There is resettlement in the Chagos. We have to start planning for this, and also there are other expenses in respect to that. The Chairperson: Yes, stand up please.

Can we ask the Prime Minister the budgeted sum for the visit to the Chagos Archipelago? Can the Prime Minister give us the details thereof? Who is expected to go? What is being planned for that visit for that budget?

I think the Deputy Prime Minister actually said that we are planning to have a full visit. First of all, we have to get the transport, the ship, we have not done that yet. We have started organising but we have to plan for it. We intend to go definitely Whether we will go together or separately, how many people can go in the ship, that we do not know yet. So, all this, we are working out. The Chairperson: Yes, Leader of the Opposition.

Hon. Prime Minister, on the same page, Item 31112.442 - Upgrading of Building. Can we be informed which building is being upgraded? The Chairperson: Yes, Prime Minister.

I can let you know but I know it is for waterproofing and also for the doors. But I can tell you which buildings, I do not have it here. The Chairperson: Does anybody want to help the Prime Minister? But we know that this is going on by the way.

In fact, I must tell you, when I walked in my own building, PMO, it was leaking. God knows why. It is the treasury building. The other thing is that probably Clarisse House has collapsed. Patrimoine de Maurice, rien n’a été fait. The Chairperson: You have got a piece of paper?

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Inn kasiet tou bann kitsoz ladan!

I have a question. The Chairperson: Alright, stand up please!

Are we on the next programme, Madam Chairperson, page 66? The Chairperson: If you want, 66 yes.

For same Item 21110.005 - Extra Assistance. May I request to the Prime Minister, the list of his Advisors, number thereof and if he can provide to the House qualifications and of course, benefits in kind and in cash?

Well, I can give you what I can at the moment. Three of them are on a pro bono basis. You have –  Mrs Fong Wen Poorun as Secretary for Home Affairs;  Mrs Bhanji, Senior Chief Executive;  Mr Ramdhun as Director Government Information Service. And then, I will give the list of others that are there. The Chairperson: Yes, Leader of the Opposition!

On page 66, Item 22900.014 - Other Goods and Services of which Hospitality and Ceremonies, the budget has almost doubled for Financial Year 2025-2026. Can we be given more information?

Yes, this is connected with dinners and lunches done for State visits. There were State visits as you know and also the accommodation of official delegations, VVIPs, Government guests. There is also a payment to ATOL because they use up the State and VIP lounges.

Madam Chairperson, may I? The Chairperson: Yes, but we are going a bit late on this one.

Yes, Madam Chairperson, just to clarify from the Prime Minister. He gave me the names of Advisors but… The Chairperson: And he said he would give the rest!

Yes, and this is what I wanted to clarify. When the Prime Minister will provide his list, can he also provide …

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An hon. Member: Mama oh !

Can he… The Chairperson: Vous voulez prendre ma place, M. Jhummun ?

Can he provide in the interim… The Chairperson: Are you sure? Moi je m’en vais si vous voulez !

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…the number of Advisors that he has appointed in the interim? Only that.

Yes, I can. The Chairperson: Yes. That is fine!

Madame la présidente, je voudrais avoir un éclaircissement parce qu’éventuellement ça va venir sur d’autre ministères, est-ce que c’est un PNQ ? Le membre de l’opposition a le droit de poser des questions supplémentaires sur ces items-là ? The Chairperson: Non, non. Il est parfaitement…

Alors, il faudra savoir ! The Chairperson: Je peux répondre ?

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Je peux répondre ? Si à chaque fois vous allez faire des points of orders, on n’est pas sorti de l’auberge.

Ce n’est même pas un point of order !

Il faut savoir ! The Chairperson: Mais, vous pensez que je ne sais pas ?

Non, je sais que vous savez, mais… The Chairperson: Et bien, alors ? Faites-moi confiance !

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An hon. Member: Ena pe anvi al l’auberge ! The Chairperson: Faites-moi confiance !

Ou pann gagn repons la, abize sa ?

Il abuse !

Abize sa?

Oui, c’est abusé ! The Chairperson: Parce que sinon, moi je m’en vais !

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Qu’est ce qui se passe encore ?

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Qu’est ce qui se passe encore ?

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It is perfectly in order! No! You cannot…

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No, you cannot!

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No, because we are late!

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We are late! Honestly, I am telling you, if we go on like this…

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If we go on like this, I am going away! Okay?

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Non, mais ce n’est pas possible ! We are still on Prime Minister’s Office. Prime Minister, take your time but give us the… On est à quelle page ? On est à page 68-69. Allez y.

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I refer to page 68 Item 22900.811 - Other Goods and Services of which Expenses icw MNIC Unit. There is a substantial increase. Can we be provided with more information?

I won’t say there is a substantial increase. There is an increase but not substantial. I can give you the details. It is provision for uniforms and then there is catering, meal allowances to officers who work, very often in the Prime Minister’s Office, we work after-hours, so we have to provide meals. There is an annual payment of syndic fees and then there is provision for electric chargers, telephones, rent office equipment, furniture, maintenance of building. There is an action plan to combat trafficking in person, that also, we have to provide Rs2,000,000. Expenses registered to Counter Terrorism Unit and the running cost of Security Unit.

May I? The Chairperson: Okay. Yes.

Thank you. May I ask, the hon. Prime Minister, at the same page 68, item 22900.910 – Running Cost of Security Unit – how many officers and personals are posted at the security unit?

The number of officers is six. The Chairperson: Good. Yes, hon. Leader of the Opposition.

Page 69, item 31121.801 – Acquisition of Vehicles (b) Security Division. There is an increase from Rs35,000,000 to Rs100,000,000. Can we know why, hon. Prime Minister?

These are vehicles for the Security Division. They had to purchase vehicles for the Security Division and also to replace an old vehicle.

On page 69? The Chairperson: You are still on 69.

Madam Chairperson, may I ask, the hon. Prime Minister, item 31122.999 – Other Machinery and Equipment (a) Home Affairs – there is an amount of Rs15,000,000 for Home Affairs; may we know what is this amount for?

This is the provision for two stand-by generators which had to be replaced. They are 45 years old. The Chairperson: Good. Page 72.

Page 72, item 21110.005 – Extra Assistance. Can we be provided with more information, Madam Chairperson?

This is the provision for the extra assistance for payment of salaries and allowances to the new Director of Information Services; the other one has left. And also, a new Adviser on information matters. The Chairperson: Yes. Hon. Leader of the Opposition.

On the same item, since the hon. Prime Minister mentioned the new Director, can we know who is the new director?

The old one was delving into politics every day. He had to be replaced and he has been replaced by his deputy, Mr Ramdhun. The Chairperson: Yes.

Page 73, item 31132.801 – Acquisition of Software (Mobile App).

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They are answering for you. I just wanted more details on why there is no budget for that.

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The Chairperson: Yes, Prime Minister.

The reason no provision has been made is because the payment had already been effected in January of this year.

Madam Chairperson, that is not the question. The question is what was the project, if we can have details on the project?

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The Chairperson: Details? This is a software!

Yes, details on the acquisition. The Prime Minster: It does say it is for software!

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But what software is it? The Prime Minster: I can’t give you details on software in the Prime Minister’s Office. We need software. Prime Minister's Office – Programme 0201: Prime Minister’s Office (Rs1, 500,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (7.41 p.m.) The following programme codes were called and agreed to – 0202: Pay Research Bureau – Pay and Conditions of Services (Rs47,000,000) 0203: Civil Status Division – Programme Civil Status Affairs (Rs 148,000,000) 0204: Government Printing – Government Printing Services (Rs227,000,000) (7.42 p.m.) Rodrigues And Outer Islands – Programme 0205: Rodrigues and Outer Islands was called. The Chairperson: Hon. Leader of the Opposition, first.

Page 87, item 22170 – Travelling within the Republic. Can I ask the hon. Prime Minister, when he intends to travel to Rodrigues? The Chairperson: As soon as possible! Yes, hon. François!

Thank you. I have a few questions, but let me start with item 26321.001 – Rodrigues Regional Assembly. There was a provision of Rs1,285,000,000, can the hon. Prime Minister confirm the real expenditure with regards to capital budget? The Chairperson: Page 87, Other General Government Units – Rodrigues Regional Assembly, that’s what you want?

Yes! The Chairperson: Yes, hon. Prime Minister!

I know it’s for recurrent expenditure but I can give you the details. I don’t have the details of the recurrent. Is it Item 23321? We approved a capital estimates amounting to Rs785,000,000 and then the different projects, you want me to name the projects?

No need! The Chairperson: Yes, Leader of the Opposition!

Madam Chairperson, I refer to page 87, item 25110.011 - Special Rodrigues Holiday Package, there is an increase of almost Rs15,000,000. Can we be provided with more information as to that increase? Thank you. The Chairperson: Yes!

That is the provision made to meet the cost of subsidy on airfare for residents of Mauritius travelling to Rodrigues. As we said, in view of boosting the tourism sector there. The Chairperson: Yes, Mr A. Duval!

On the same item 25110.011 - Special Rodrigues Holiday Package, may I ask the Prime Minister for the last financial year, how many Mauritians benefitted from that subsidy, that is, travelled to Rodrigues? You should have it.

I would not be able to say for the last financial year. I can tell you for this year. You mean from the beginning of last year, you were in government.

No, I was not, hon. Prime Minister. That’s not true. Secondly, you should be able to because they have the figures here because we have the sum here. Otherwise, if you can give me for the Rs 35 million, how many are expected to travel?

… want the details of last year?

Okay, if you can’t give me for last year, but I am sure you can, give me for this year Rs35 million?

The amount disbursed, that’s what you want to know?

The number of persons who travelled.

Persons travelled? How many people travelled?

How many people benefited from that subsidy? It’s the subsidy on the air ticket.

Okay, there are 142,000 beneficiaries.

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Madam Chairperson, we cannot work… The Chairperson: Qu’est-ce que c’est ces enfantillages ?

Exactement !

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The Chairperson: Non, mais vous vous ennuyez ou quoi ?

Je crois oui ! Il n’a pas de questions ! The Chairperson: Ça suffit! On est tous là en train de travailler, y compris le staff. Il n’y a pas que nous, il y a aussi le staff. Allons travailler, on est là pour ça. Alors la question, s’il vous plait, la question ?

Je l’ai posé ! The Chairperson: Oui, vous avez eu la réponse ?

Oui, il a répondu ! The Chairperson: Très bien !

Il y a du tapage qui continue derrière. The Chairperson: Je vois bien qui c’est ! L’honorable François!

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. On page 87, item 22120.008 – Fees to Consultants. Can we know who are the consultants for both projects by the AFD grant with water sector and renewable energy?

We don’t have the names of the consultants; we have Bureau de Recherches Géologiques et Minières but they didn’t give their names.

Okay! The Chairperson: Vous avez compris ? Très bien! One more?

Let me put another question, Madam Chairperson, with regards to same page 87, item 28213.030 - Airport of Rodrigues Ltd. There is a provision of Rs26 million for this year but the projection for Financial Year 2026-2027, there is no money, may I know why?

It is probably not worked out. I will certainly give details. We don’t have it because it is after one year that you are talking about. I think they haven’t worked it out because this…

Okay! The Chairperson: Hon. Leader of the Opposition!

Yes, thank you, Madam Chairperson. On the same page, that is, page 87, item 28217.010 - Support to Sustainable Development in Rodrigues (icw Rodrigues Airport project). Can we have an indication of the status of that project, hon. Prime Minister?

They had planned to do the project. I think preliminary works have been done and we are committed to carry on as long as we can do it on time, it will be funded. What is the status, how long they have managed to do, I can’t say. The Chairperson: I think we are done with Rodrigues if everybody is happy. Rodrigues and Outer Islands – Programme Code 0205: Rodrigues and Outer Islands (Rs 6,470,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (7.50 p.m.) Reform Institutions and Rehabilitation – Programme Code 0206: Rehabilitation of Offenders and Children in Probation Institutions (Rs121,000,000) was called and agreed to. (7.52 p.m.) Forensic Science Laboratory – Programme Code 0207: Forensic Science Services was called.

On page 93, may I ask the hon. Prime Minister on the item 31112.019 - Construction of the Forensic Science Laboratory, may we know when is the new laboratory expected to be up and running?

The contract date was 29 November 2023. Now, they have revised the date of completion to 01 December of this year. The Chairperson: Okay, Mr François!

Yes, thank you, Madam Chairperson. Page 92, item 21110 - Personal Emoluments, I see under key performance indicators there is about 60% of cases, may I know the exact number of cases treated and resolved? The Chairperson: Will you have that, hon. Prime Minister?

Yes, sure! I don’t have it here but how many cases have been resolved; I will give it to you. I am sure they will give me. The Chairperson: Everybody at the back must be on their toes!

I can give you some more details. For the number of cases, there are in total 3,496 cases, of which, 1,960 are for drugs, 952 for toxicology and 584 for biology. Forensic Science Laboratory - Programme Code 0207: Forensic Science Services (Rs650,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (7.54 p.m.) National Disaster Risk Reduction - Programme Code 0208: National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management (Rs33,000,000) was called and agreed to. (7.55 p.m.) Mauritius Meteorological Services - Programme Code 0209: Meteorological Services was called. The Chairperson: Yes, Leader of the Opposition!

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Page 99, Item 31112.401 – Upgrading of Office Buildings, can the hon. Prime Minister provide us with information as to which buildings are being upgraded?

It is for the Radar Station. Then, there is the hydrogen generator and the upgrading works at Plaisance Station. There is also some waterproofing works. The Chairperson: Oui, Monsieur François!

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Page 99, Item 31122.999 – (a) Automatic Rain Gauge and Weather Stations and Climate Database Management Systems, Rs23 m. From the key performance, there will be an increase of eight additional automatic stations. May I know how many there will be for Rodrigues?

I know Rodrigues is included, but they have put it all together. Maybe they will tell me. The Chairperson: Okay, yes!

Under the same Item 31122.999 – (a) Automatic Rain Gauge and Weather Stations and Climate Database Management System, can the Prime Minister give us details of this system?

I do not know the details for the systems, but I know the costs. If you want different costs, I can provide it. But not the details on the system.

What is it for?

It is exactly what it says here. It is a rain gauge.

Can I have…

It is a rain gauge; I do not have to look at the paper. It is a rain gauge! The Chairperson: C’est un truc spécialisé ! Mauritius Meteorological Services - Programme Code 0209: Meteorological Services (Rs163,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (7.59 p.m.) External Communications - Programme Code 0220: Policy & Strategy for Port and Airport development was called. The Chairperson: External Communications, page 104, Mr Lesjongard first.

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. May I refer the hon. Prime Minister to page 104, Item 32155.071 – Airports Holdings Ltd, can we have more information as regard to that item, please?

It is a long explanation. There was a loan agreement of USD 184 million signed with the World Bank on 05 June 2024. The previous regime signed that to finance the new runway project at Plaine Corail. Then, were two components related to the construction of a new airport runway, as mentioned just now. The remaining two components relate to water, food security and so on. The Chairperson: Yes, Mr François!

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. On page 104, Item 31121.805 – Acquisition of Tugboat (funded by Government of Japan), there is a provision of Rs82.5 m. May I know whether this item will cater for the replacement of the old tug at Port Mathurin, Rodrigues?

I know that it is the Government of Japan which is extending its grant. We have not specified where the tug will be used. It could be used in Rodrigues as well. I cannot see why not. External Communications - Programme Code 0220: Policy & Strategy for Port and Airport development (Rs1,107,200,000) was, on question put, agreed to. The Chairperson: I think we can suspend, if you do not mind, hon. Prime Minister? I think everybody is hungry. So, I suspend the Sitting for one hour until 9 o’clock. At 8.01 p.m., the Sitting was suspended. On resuming at 9.06 p.m. with Madam Speaker in the Chair. The Chairperson: Thank you, hon. Members. You may be seated! (9.07 p.m.) Police Service - Programme Code 0230: Police Services was called. The Chairperson: Yes!

Thank you, Madam Chairperson, May I refer the hon. Prime Minister to page 111, Item 21110.005 - Extra Assistance, there is an increase of Rs4 m. almost. Can we be provided with further information related to that item. Thank you.

There are 30 retired Police Officers employed at the Passport Office and Immigration Office. Also, there is an Adviser at VIPSU and there is an Adviser at CCID. Then, you have cash in lieu of leave, end of year bonus and the interim allowances.

May I again, Madam Chairperson? The Chairperson: Yes!

With regard to the Adviser, can we be provided with the names and qualifications, hon. Prime Minister?

I know the names if you want to ask me. The Adviser at VIPSU is Mr T. Dwarika. The one at CCID is Mr Daniel Monvoisin. The Chairperson: Yes!

With regard to the sub-programme 023001 - Management of Police Services. The Chairperson: Page?

Page 111. The Chairperson: Item 023?

Yes. Management of the functioning of the different Police Units - Office of the Commissioner of Police, may I know from the hon. Prime Minister, the number of officers, Commissioner of Police and Deputy Commissioner of Police who are currently on contract in that office? The Chairperson: I am sorry. Did you get it?

Yes. It is not within my purview. The Chairperson: Which item?

Because I do not do the administration for the Police. There are directives on policies.

No, but… The Chairperson: Would you please tell me which page again?

Page 111. The heading for sub-programme 023001 - Management of Police Services. Let me ask it differently. For the Human Resources part on page 113.

Page 113?

It is the same question.

Go page by page. The Chairperson: Be precise!

It is the same question, Madam Chairperson.

It is not!

For the management of the Office of the Commissioner of Police.

When we come to page 113, then you ask!

Well then, Madam Chairperson, may I have a question on page 112? The Chairperson: Yes!

Construction of Mauritius Disciplined Forces Academy, may we have… The Chairperson: Item?

Item 31112.049 - Construction of Mauritius Disciplined Forces Academy. The Chairperson: 049 - Construction of Mauritius Disciplined Forces Academy.

Yes!

Which page? The Chairperson: Page 112.

Page 112? And then?

May we know from the hon. Prime Minister, when is the construction expected to happen and what will be the training capacity of the academy once it is set up?

From what I remember, as you know, this is from a line of credit from India. But what has happened is that there has been an unsuccessful tendering. So, they are now re-talking to the financing bank to restart the process.

May I? The Chairperson: Yes!

Will the hon. Prime Minister clarify when we can expect construction to be completed because we see…

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The Chairperson: No!

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He has not answered!

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The Chairperson: There are many Prime Ministers in this House!

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Right! What will be the capacity for training of the academy once it is set up? The Chairperson: It is tendering.

That is temporary because they are looking at all the tendering procedures at the moment. The Chairperson: Too early, too early. Yes!

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I refer the hon. Prime Minister to page 112, Item 22900.973 - Expenses i.c.w Safe City Project. There is an increase of Rs150 m. Can we be provided with the information as regards to that increase, Madam Chairperson? Thank you.

They are getting 4,000 intelligent video surveillance cameras. The Chairperson: Yes!

Page 113. The Chairperson: Yes!

Page 113, Human Resources, Madam Chairperson. The Chairperson: Which one, please?

Page 113. The Chairperson: Yes, but which one? All of it?

Yes, generally speaking!

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Madam Chairperson, there is a total in there you will see. The Chairperson: Okay!

There is a total there, Madam Chairperson, you will see, 2174. My question was how many persons in that office are currently employed under contract? The Chairperson: Employed under contract. That is what he wanted to say.

I will not be able to say for the whole office but for the moment I know, the Commissioner of Police is under contract. The Chairperson: No question? Yes. Mr Ramdass.

Page 111- Item 22120. The Chairperson: Non, on a fini. 113, on a fini. On est à la page 114 maintenant. Je sais qu’il est tard mais essayez de suivre. La pages 114, 115 ? No questions.

Page 116, actually. The Chairperson: Page 116, okay.

May I ask the Prime Minister, with item 31112.012 (d) – Goodlands Police Station. I see that this is a new project. Where is this police station going to be constructed and what would be the capacity?

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The Chairperson: Okay sit down. Answer? Do you know Prime Minister where?

I remember having answered a PQ on this. It is exactly the same place. Wait, I am answering you.

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Li anvi met sa Grand Gaube!

Hon. Prime Minister, your officers are here!

Instead of making you wait, I am answering you.

If I may, Chairperson, the reason for this exercise is to elucidate where is…

Twa to pou montre nou?

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… Rs5 million, it does not matter if it has been answered 10 times. It has to be answered here. This is the precise reason.

Madam Chairperson, I just answered him. It is at the same place where we have the…

But I didn’t know…

But I am answering. If you do not know, I am telling you.

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The Chairperson: Same place as the actual police station. An hon. Member: Trois boutiques… The Chairperson: You better find out. Moi, j’habite Rose-Hill, je sais où est la station de Rose-Hill.

… if there is a renovation. Madam Chairperson, you cannot construct something which is already there. There is a renovation.

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You see, you missed. You are not listening. I said the same place. I did not say the same building. There is space there.

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The Chairperson: You will find out. Next page please! Pages 118, 119, 120? Page 120 !

Yes. Can I ask the Prime Minister, we see that, yes, I am coming to it. He must be very thankful for all assistance he is getting with the questions. Item 31122.805 – Acquisition of Security Equipment. Can we have the details of security equipment being budgeted for the Anti-Drug and Smuggling Unit?

I cannot go into security matters. I know it is for ADSU but I cannot give you more. The Chairperson: No, but it is obvious, isn’t it? It is for security. I am sorry, what is your question? It is so obvious. What do you want to know?

…more than entitled to know exactly what it is. The Chairperson: For security, you cannot detail more than that.

I cannot give details on security.

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The Chairperson: 121? Page 122?

On page 122, Madam Chairperson, item 31121.801- Acquisition of Vehicles - Light Armoured Personnel Carriers. Can we know, how many have been procured under this financial year and for next year how many will be procured as well?

I will tell you for the actual, it is 12.

I had 121.

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The Chairperson: Too late, but you are talking to someone.

But I wasn’t! The Chairperson: I am sorry. 124? Try and follow. Page 125? Keep awake all of you. I say keep awake because I am going to the fast.

Yes, thank you. Page 125, Item 22060.008 – Ships. May I know whether the maintenance is being done here in Mauritius or abroad?

Normally, they try to do it here. If it is not possible then they send it abroad. The Chairperson: Okay. Police Services – Programme Code 0230: Police Services (Rs 13,200,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (9.20 p.m.) Prison service – Programme Code 0240: Prison Services was called. The Chairperson: Beware! Which page?

Page 130, item 21110 – Personal Emoluments. May we know the actual overall number of inmates in Mauritius? The Chairperson: Mais là c’est le Personal Emoluments.

You mean the prison officers? 143. The Chairperson: Pages 131, 132, 133, 134? On a presque fini. Prison Service – Programme Code 0240: Prison Services (Rs1,202,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (9.22 p.m.) The Prime Minister’s Office, Ministry of Finance – Programme Code 0250: Policy and Strategy for Public Finance and Economic Development was called.

Page 138, Item 21110.005 - Extra Assistance, may we know from the Prime Minister how many Advisors he has appointed under this Item and then secondly, if can provide us with the qualifications and benefits in kind and in cash that they will be entitled to?

I can tell you the name of the Advisors but I will have to circulate it or you ask a question.

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I will not know their qualifications, their age…

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Table, table!

But at least their names!

Three. The Chairperson: Sinon nous aussi on va donner les nôtres si ça continue. On peut tous donner nos CV nous aussi. Allez-y, vous allez circuler.

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He is going to circulate!

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Allez, où on est ? Page 142. Yes? Which one?

I raised my hand for page 138.

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The Chairperson: Page 138?

Item 22030 - Rent. There is a substantial increase. May we know from the hon. Prime Minister why that substantial increase? The Chairperson: Yes, Prime Minister!

The increase is not just for building and parking slots but also for equipment and when they do events, facilities for events.

No, this is rent. The Chairperson: No, he is talking of rent because you also have office equipment afterwards. You are getting the answer.

This is what I said. It is the rental for a new office at Newton Tower and then there is the provision for an additional office for Garden Tower. The Chairperson: Okay. Yes?

May I ask the Prime Minister, on the same page 138, Item 26313.020 - Gambling Regulatory Authority. We see an increase of 10%. Rs10 m. in the budget for this financial year. May we know why there is such an increase for this financial year?

Because of prices but basically it is the recurrent expenditure of the Gambling Regulatory Authority. This is for compensation of employees and goods and services. The Chairperson: Page 143. Yes, Leader of the Opposition.

Madam Chairperson, I refer the hon. Prime Minister to page 143, Item 26313.043 - Mauritius Revenue Authority. There is an increase of almost Rs100 million. Can we be provided with more information as regard to that increase? Thank you!

It is basically for combating drugs and smuggling and also people who under evaluate their revenues. They want to upgrade ICT infrastructure and also start using Artificial Intelligence.

Yes, under Item 21110.001 - Basic Salary. The Chairperson: Item 21110.001 - Basic Salary.

Yes, we see an increase of Rs12 million when the HR total number of staff is in fact decreasing. So, can we know why there is an increase when the staff is in fact decreasing?

It is not decreasing. It is 325 funded persons here.

It is 325, in fact, down from 350 but the basic salary is up Rs12 million. So, can we know why there is an increase in basic salary? Such an increase when in fact the funded positions are decreasing.

In fact, there are provisions for the payment for the salary compensation for years 2022-2025 which have not been paid.

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It is salary compensation. May I ask the Prime Minister? The Chairperson: Yes, once you finish, I have to go back because we lost two of them. Allez! Carry on.

Yes, I see the salary compensation is a sub-heading and you will see that it only amounts for Rs2 million. So, the question again, there is a Rs13 million increase and 25 less funded positions. So, ….

Yes, they were not paid for all those years. That is what it seems from here. The Chairperson: Yes, Members, while calling, it seems that there are four pages for Ministry of Finance which I have missed. So, I am calling Ministry of Finance, page 135. We have already done that but I have to call it. Ministry of Finance - Programme Code 0250: Policy and Strategy for Public Finance and Economic Development (Rs388,300,000) was, on question put, agreed to. The Chairperson: And then there is another one which is page 140, which we just did. Ministry of Finance - Programme Code 0251: Public Finance and Budget Management (Rs 3,935,700,000) was, on question put, agreed to. The Chairperson: Now we are back to normal.

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. May I refer the hon. Prime Minister to page 145, Item 22120.008 - Fees to Consultants. Can the hon. Prime Minister provide the House with information about the studies to be carried out and when those consultants will be appointed? Thank you.

This is for consultancy services in the recruitment of project managers for the project management and contract administration unit. The Chairperson: Thank you. Now, we go to pages 146, 147 and 148. Now, I am on page 148, Ministry of Finance. (9.33 p.m.) Ministry of Finance - Programme Code 0252: Economic Development and Resource Mobilisation was called. The Chairperson: We are still on the Ministry of Finance. So, page 149.

May I refer the Prime Minister to page 149, Item 26313.148 – Economic Development Board. May we know from the hon. Prime Minister, for the last financial year, how many occupation permits have been delivered by the Economic Development Board?

I know they are doing it regularly, but I will not be able to say the exact number. If they have it, they will give it. The Chairperson: You need notice of the question.

May we wait for that?

I will circulate it.

Prepare the statement and… The Chairperson: He will provide in due course. I carry on. Ministry of Finance - Programme Code 0252: Economic Development and Resource Mobilisation (Rs 635,200,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (9.36 p.m.) The following Programme Codes were called and agreed to – 0253: Ministry of Finance - Procurement Policy and Services (Rs148,000,000) 0254: Treasury - Government Accounting and Payment System (Rs226,800,000) (9.37 p.m.) Statistics Mauritius - Programme Code 0255: Provision of Statistics was called. The Chairperson: Pages 161-162. Je vous écoute.

May I know from the hon. Prime Minister, there is…

Which page? The Chairperson: Page 162.

But you do not even have to answer. The Chairperson: But I am nice, that is why I answer!

May I know from the hon. Prime Minister, there is a reduction in Statistical Officers, a quite considerable one. In fact, 20% of the number of Statistical Officers are being reduced. May we know what is the reason?

Yes, it has been reduced to 113 officers.

It is down from 134.

Yes. The Chairperson: There is no particular problem?

No.

May we know the reason why?

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The Chairperson: Chut!

Actually, they are telling me that there were only one or two officers in post. Procedures have been initiated for the other vacancies. The Chairperson: Okay. You have a question? Yes!

On Page 161, Item 26210 – Contribution to International Organisations, quite substantial increases in the contribution, may we know why?

Can you tell me exactly which number you are referring to because there are many in there.

Items 26210.041, 26210.042 and 26210.043.

There is the annual membership for IAOS, ISI and IASS that has to be paid.

It has increased?

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SADC mem zot pa’nn paye ! The Chairperson: It has increased, I suppose?

Yes, because the membership price must have increased. That is why it has increased. The Chairperson: Yes, le temps passe ! Okay, can we finish for Statistics? Statistics Mauritius - Programme Code 0255: Provision of Statistics (Rs 217,500,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (9.41 p.m.) The following Programme Codes were called and agreed to – 0256: Corporate and Business Registration Department - Corporate and Business Registration (Rs190,700,000) 0257: Registrar-General’s Department - Registration of Deeds/Documents and Conservation of Mortgages (Rs 178,700,000) The Chairperson: Hon. Members, I do not know if you can follow, we are now going to Centralised Services of Government. This is the one I mentioned that is out of turn. It falls under your purview, hon. Prime Minister, on page 532. (9.43 p.m.) Centralised Services of Government - Programme 2701: Centrally Managed Expenses of Government was called. The Chairperson: Yes!

On page 533, item 22180 – Mission Expenses (Ministers, Delegates and Officials), may we know from the hon. Prime Minister, out of the budget allocated for the last financial year, how much has been spent by his government on mission expenses for delegates and officials, the total cost up till now?

It’s difficult for me to tell you the exact cost up to now. We vote an item in the budget for so much sum and then we use, if there is excess, we come out with a supplementary budget, otherwise no. The Chairperson: I understand, he cannot tell you the exact sum…

No, I understand but he should have the information for the last financial year which is ending now 30 June, he should have the amount that has been spent out of the Rs125 million? He should know how much has been spent?

Rs81 million has been spent. The Chairperson: Good? So, now we are going to call. Centralised Services of Government – Programme 2701: Centrally Managed Expenses of Government (Rs3,690,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (9.45 p.m.) Centralised Services of Government – Programme 2702: Centrally Managed Initiatives of Government was called. The Chairperson: This one is page 534 to 536. Question!

Under page 535, item 28212 - Transfers to Households, can the hon. Prime Minister provide eventually to the House, or otherwise if he has it now, the number of beneficiaries that have been paid out under all of the different decimals’ subprogrammes under this heading? Yes, if you could provide the…

Yes, I can provide, I can give you now. The beneficiaries for the negative income tax allowance is 2900. It is very long, if you prefer, I will table it.

Yes! Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On page 534, item 21110.010 - Service to Mauritius Programme, may I know from the hon. Prime Minister, the number of youngsters or persons who benefited from this provision for this financial year and also, whether there is a quota for Rodrigues as well from this provision?

All I know is that they have advertised for 300 interns, there are actually only 80 interns. The remaining 220 would be enlisted in this financial year.

Page 535, may I refer the hon. Prime Minister to item 28212.054 - Prime a L'emploi, can we know the number of beneficiaries?

I know the value but I don’t have the number. Maybe they have the number, they will give me. The Chairperson: You are waiting.

I will have the numbers. 15,000. The Chairperson: Yes. Hon. Whip!

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Page 535, item 28213.029 - State Trading Corporation, pourrait-on avoir les détails sur la somme de R 2 milliard, s’il vous plait ? Merci.

This is to compensate the STC for the deficits in the subsidy account for LPG, flour, and rice. But they have been treated as receivables from the government in the books of the STC. Now, Government owes some Rs2.6 billion to the STC for the period July 2021 which will end in June 2025.

Unbelievable! The Chairperson: Yes. Mr François!

May I know whether this sum also made provision for the construction of a new STC warehouse in Rodrigues?

Not that I see, it’s not earmarked in this one.

It is not earmarked. The Chairperson: Okay, Mr Duval!

Yes, Madam Chairperson. May I ask the hon. Prime Minister, same page 535 under the item 28212.041 - CSG Income Allowance, may we know the number of beneficiaries that are benefitting from the…

Number of beneficiaries, I will not know.

If I may ask the hon. Prime Minister, I asked earlier if he could table under the heading itself all the beneficiaries? The Chairperson: Let us see whether he can tell you.

When you say table all, you mean, not their names, I hope?

No, the number!

The number is 370,000. The Chairperson: Good, okay now we can move on. Page 536-537. Vous voulez parler sur 536 ? Allez-y !

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. May I refer the hon. Prime Minister to item 32155.059 - MauBank Holdings Ltd, can we have more information on that amount of Rs1.4 billion provided in this year’s budget?

Yes, this is a provision for MauBank Holdings Ltd. They have to repay their loan obligations to African Development Bank which is Rs0.8 billion to MauBank Rs0.6 billion. Loan contracted with ADB USD100 million in 2019 and MauBank, Rs3 billion was contracted in 2018 and still not paid. Centralised Services of Government - Programme 2702: Centrally Managed Initiatives of Government (Rs35,037,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. The Chairperson: Now, we are done with you hon. Prime Minister. We got one more. We got the last one. (9.52 p.m.) Centralised Services of Government - Programme 2703: Contingencies and Reserves (Rs4,500,000,000) was called and agreed to. The Chairperson: C’est bon, on a fini avec le Premier ministre. (9.53 p.m.) Deputy Prime Minister's Office - Programme 0301: Deputy Prime Minister's Office was called. The Chairperson: Question? Yes, hon. Leader of the Opposition.

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. May I refer the Deputy Prime Minister to page 170, item 21110 .005 – Extra Assistance. Half of his office budgetary assistance goes to Advisers. Can we be provided with the names of the Advisers, qualifications and their respective qualifications?

Yes, Madam Chairperson, Advisers are – 1. There is one Ambassador, Vijay Singh Makhan, Senior Adviser on Diplomatic Affairs; 2. Maître Kishore Pertab, Senior Adviser on Policy and Strategic Matters; 3. Mrs Daniella Bastien, Senior Adviser on Communications and Strategic Matters, and 4. Mr Shaffick Ahmad, Senior Adviser. Merci. The Chairperson: Thank you. Yes?

Will you table the information?

Of course, you want me to table, I will table it. The Chairperson: What more information did you require?

Madam Chairperson, the Qualifications and responsibilities… The Chairperson: You will give the qualifications.

Well, it is too long! The Chairperson: So, you will table it. Hon. Deputy Prime Minister, you can table it. Another question.

May I ask the Deputy Prime Minister, there is Rs10,000,000 for four Advisers. The budget is meant to fund how many posts of Advisers? Is it for these four or are there going to be more?

I have four Advisers, if I need more, I will ask the Prime Minister.

No that is not the question. The question is, there are Rs10,000,000. Are we to understand that these four Advisers are costing Rs10,000,000?

You want their salaries also? Ask.

Yes.

The question, Madam Chairperson, is there is Rs10,000,000 for extra assistance… The Chairperson: You want to know if these Rs10,000,000 are for these for people?

Exactly! The Chairperson: That’s easy to ask.

Then, there is no problem. Ambassador Makhan, salary and allowance – R 163,250 Maître Kishore Pertab – R 163,250 Mrs Daniella Bastien – R 122,000 Mr Shaffick Ahmad – R 120,000 plus one extra duty allowance of R 8000 per month. You got everything? The Chairperson: May I do this vote? It is going to be my last for tonight. My friend is going to stand in for me. Deputy Prime Minister’s Office – Programme 0301: Deputy Prime Minister's Office (Rs22,500,000) was, on question put, agreed to. The Chairperson: Will you please excuse me? I will ask the Deputy Speaker to step in. I will take a rest if you don’t mind. Thank you very much, everybody. At this stage, the Deputy Speaker took the Chair. The Chairperson: Please, be seated. (9.59 p.m.) Ministry Of Housing and Lands: Programme 0401: Policy and Strategy for Housing and Lands was called. So, you tell me the page and code, please.

Page 177, item 22120.008 – Fees to Consultants (Housing Strategy). The Chairperson: No, let’s go page by page. Anybody on page 171?

Yes. Thank you, Mr Chairperson. On page 171 – under the item – 0401: Policy and Strategy for Housing and Lands, there is the National Development Strategy – I just want to know whether there is a component for Rodrigues, under this item?

It does not concern Rodrigues. No.

Will you consider same? The Chairperson: That’s a policy decision.

In fact, the study that has been carried out does not concern Rodrigues. Thank you. The Chairperson: Page 172, Page 173, Page 175, Page 175…

You are going too quickly. The Chairperson: But you have to stop me if you have already prepared a question. You must stop me when I am going. Okay, you have a question? Do you have a question? Do you have a question? If you have, on which page on which code? Ministry Of Housing and Lands: Programme 0401: Policy and Strategy for Housing and Lands (Rs137,500,000) was on question put, agreed to. (10.03 p.m.) Ministry Of Housing and Lands: Programme 0402: Social Housing Development was called.

So, we go to page 176, any questions?

Page 176, Construction of social housing units. There is no item number. So, there are 5,550 housing units targeted.

Mr Chairperson, can the hon. Member at least tell me the item? The Chairperson: On which page are you on?

There is no item number.

Then, no questions!

It is the heading.

Okay, the heading. The Chairperson: Yes, your question!

There is a target of 5,550 houses to be completed and delivered for 2026. May we know now, if he is in the position to say it, how many of those have already been completed, and if any of those have been delivered or are they to be delivered?

As I have said, the former government has constructed, as it says here, what is ready provisionally is 58. But in terms of delivery, approximately, 40 have been delivered. I am really sorry it is not much! But then, again, that is the performance of the previous government.

Mr Chairperson, is it going to be delivered?

No, we will perform.

As and when. How many?

No, we will perform. You can see the huge difference.

That is not the question.

What I am trying to say, Mr Chairperson, is that they have delivered 40. Basically, within the time that we are in power, we will be delivering 5,550 next year.

But that is not the question!

Obviously! The answer is that.

The question is: can you explain how it is going to be delivered?

How?

Can you give details? You are targeting 5,558. We want to know what is the delivery programme.

I have the delivery programme. Basically, there are several sites. The sites are for NHDC and NSLD. I can table the details. The Chairperson: Okay, you will table it. Thank you.

In fact, most of the work will be done by this Government.

Yes, you have said that already!

I am saying it again! I am enjoying it! The Chairperson: Page 177. You have a question, hon. Leader of the Opposition?

Thank you, Mr Chairperson. May I refer the hon. Minister to Item 28212.

Which page?

Page 177.

Yes.

Item 28212.023 - Maintenance of NHDC Housing Estates (b) National Syndic Scheme (New), which is a new scheme, can we be provided with information regarding that new scheme?

With regard to this scheme, as the figures point out, Mr Chairperson, funds amounting to Rs40 m. have been provided. It is for the establishment of the new National Syndic Scheme to ensure the better maintenance of the NHDC estates and timely provisional scavenging services. Obviously, what we are going to do right now is try to find solution to a problem that has existed for many years. As the former Minister and the Leader of the Opposition should know, there is a lot of money that has been spent on maintenance of property that no longer belongs to the NHDC. We have to ensure that there is proper maintenance instead of putting good money which is not really bringing results. So, we want to ensure to find the proper solution. Have a syndic that is created in order to be able provide the syndic services. The Chairperson: Page 177.

Yes, on the same item. May we know if this fund is going to be centrally managed or is it going to be allocated NHDC Housing Estate?

Centrally managed. The Chairperson: Hon. Leader of the Opposition!

Thank you, Mr Chairperson. May I refer the hon. Minister to the same page, Item 28222.018 - Rehabilitation of ex-CHA Housing Estates, there is no provision made in this year’s budget. Do I understand that the rehabilitation works have been completed?

I have an explanation with regard to that. With regard to rehabilitation, as at now, 1,553 EDC houses have been dismantled and replaced by new concrete houses. 1,560 EDC houses were still in existence whereby I can table the details. Financial clearance was sought in July 2024 for financing of a pilot project on two sites at La Ferme and Dubreuil. NSIF contribution is at 66.7% of the cost, and government contribution is at 33.3%. No further funds have been earmarked for this forthcoming budget.

Thank you, Mr Chairperson. Same page 177, Item 22120.008 - Fees to Consultants (Housing Strategy), can we…

Could you repeat the item again?

Yes. Item 22120.008 - Fees to Consultants (Housing Strategy), can we have an indication of the time frame?

Fees for consultant for housing policy roadmap. As it stands right now, this is a very urgent matter. We have had meetings recently with the senior officers of my Ministry, and I have asked that this matter could be wrapped up within three months. But obviously, the time that it takes with the procurement process. I am always like that; I want to go faster than what is normally allowed. I do apologise to my officers. But as soon as we can do it. It will be fast because it is very urgent. Ministry of Housing and Lands – Programme Code 0402: Social Housing Development (Rs1,210,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (10:11p.m.) Ministry of Housing and Lands – Programme Code 0403: Land Management and Physical Planning was called.

Question?

Yes, thank you, Mr Chairperson. I refer the hon. Minister to page 179, Item 22070.011 - Cleaning of Islets, can we be provided with a list of islets to be cleaned? How will be the procurement process for cleaning those islets?

I confirm that, in fact, there are 52 islets to be cleaned. One of them has already been cleaned. I have a list of the various islets, which I can table. I can assure the hon. Member that everything that will be done will be done in line with the laws pertaining to procurement and totally transparent as usual.

Do you have another question?

Yes!

Same page?

Hon. Minister, I refer you to the same page, Item 22120.008 - Fees to Consultants, there is a substantial increase. Can we have information with regard to that increase?

So, in line with Government Programme to modernise legal framework to manage land resources more efficiently, ensure sustainable urban development and in response to the challenges of a rapidly evolving society, the Ministry will hire the services of a consultant to draft a consolidated and modern legal framework for land use planning in Mauritius to replace the Town and Country Planning Act and the Planning and Development Act of 2004. Now, the project details are available and I can table that as well. The Chairperson: On the same page? Hon. François !

Item 22900.986 – Expenses icw Land Research Monitoring Unit. Can I have more details about this unit and what are the provisions made for? Page 179.

I have details which I can table. The Chairperson: Page 180. Yes, hon. Leader of the Opposition!

Thank you, Mr Chairperson. May I refer, the hon. Minister to item 31132.101 – LAVIMS Project. This item has been in our budget for quite some time. Can we have an indication of the status of the implementation of this project, hon. Minister?

The Digital State Land Register contract was awarded to Infosystems AA. Ltd in the sum of Rs7.9 million on 17 July 2018. 70% of contract value already paid. The contract is still ongoing and is expected to be completed by end of June 2025. Ministry of Housing and Lands – Programme Code 0403: Land Management and Physical Planning (Rs1,023,500,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (10.15 p.m.) Ministry of Housing and Lands – Programme Code 0404: Valuation of Immovable Properties (Rs151,000,000) was called and agreed to. (10.16 p.m.) Ministry of Environment, Solid Waste Management and Climate Change – Programme Code 0501: Policy and Strategy for Environment, Solid Waste Management and Climate Change was called. The Chairperson: Page 186. Yes.

Thank you, Mr Chairperson. May I ask the hon. Minister, item 21110.005 – Extra Assistance. May we know the name of his advisers, their qualifications and their remuneration?

We have four advisers, Mr Chairperson. • Mr Rajoo and Mr Hishaam Ibrahim, Senior Advisers; • Mrs Marie Ken Karen, Adviser on Information Matters; • Mr Baboo B. Budlorun, Adviser on Public Relations Matters. I will circulate the list. Ministry of Environment, Solid Waste Management and Climate Change – Programme Code 0501: Policy and Strategy for Environment, Solid Waste Management and Climate Change (Rs120,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (10.20 p.m.) Ministry of Environment, Solid Waste Management and Climate Change – Programme Code 0502: Protection and Conservation of Environment was called. The Chairperson: Page 189? Page 190? Yes, hon. Leader.

Thank you, Mr Chairperson. May I refer the hon. Minister to item 22120.008 – Fees to Consultants. There are three studies which will be carried out and can we have an indication of the timeframe for the three studies, please?

The studies are ongoing, Mr Chairperson, I will circulate the timeframe.

On the same item 22120.008 – (c) Environmentally Sensitive Area Maps. Can the hon. Minister provide more details on this project to the House?

This is in process and we will circulate all the result of the plan. Ministry of Environment, Solid Waste Management and Climate Change – Programme Code 0502: Protection and Conservation of Environment (Rs170,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (10.22 p.m.) Ministry of Environment, Solid Waste Management and Climate Change – Programme Code 0503: Climate Change Adaptation and Mitigation was called. The Chairperson: Page 193?

Page 193 item 22120.008 (d) Coastal Risk Assessment Study. Can we know the list about this item, where?

We have a lot of studies which are being carried out along the coast of Mauritius. We will circulate list?

The same item, Mr Chairperson, on the same item that is 22120.008 – Fees to Consultants (Grant Funded). May I again ask the hon. Minister to provide House with a timeframe those five studies listed and the consultants also?

There is a list of consultants appointed by the previous government and which are undertaking, …

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I know you do not have to tell me and you are on the other side. Mr Chairperson, we will circulate the list with the timeframe and the name of the consultants. The Chairperson: Thank you.

Item 22120.002 – Fees to Chairperson and Members of Boards and Committees. Will he provide the list of persons appointed on these boards and committees?

These are the fees of the board where there are civil servants who are participating in these boards. We will circulate the list. Ministry of Environment, Solid Waste Management and Climate Change – Programme Code 0503: Climate Change Adaptation and Mitigation (Rs 90,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. (10.22 p.m.) Ministry of Environment, Solid Waste Management and Climate Change – Programme 0504: Cleaning, Greening and Embellishment was called. The Chairperson: Page 194? Page 195, yes.

May I ask the hon. Minister, Item 26313.161 - Mauri-Facilities Management Co Ltd. Will he provide the list of the persons that have been appointed on the Board and their remuneration as well as the Chairman and the Chief Executives?

The Mauri-Facilities Board is being reorganised and this is run by the Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Local Government and the Ministry of Finance. So, there will be a new Board which will be appointed in the days to come. The Chairperson: Page 196? Page 197? The question is that the sum…

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Sorry? On which page are you?

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The Chairperson: Put your question!

Apran fer travay do pares! Pares! The Chairperson: Put question!

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Which page?

Page 197.

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Item 26323.003 - Beach Authority, may we know the members of the Beach Authority appointed to the Board?

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There is the Chairman of the Board, Mr Rajoo and also the representatives of the different Ministries. We will circulate the list with the revenues. Programme Code 0504: Cleaning, Greening and Embellishment (Rs1,590,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. Programme Code 0505: Waste Management and Resource Recovery was called. The Chairperson: Any question on page 198? 199?

Thank you, Mr Chairperson. On page 199, Item 26313.156 - National Environment Cleaning Authority, may we be provided with the list of the persons appointed to the Board and their remuneration?

The NECA is again on the process of reorganisation from the mess which we have inherited. The Chairperson is the Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Solid Waste Management and the representatives of the different Ministries. So, there are no independent members. So, we will circulate…

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No additional…

No, the same as previously. The Chairperson: Yes?

Item 22070.003 - Operation of Landfill Sites, there is a considerable increase in the budget. Can the hon. Minister provide us with the reason for the increase?

The increase is due to the contract value, they knew there was a contract which had been awarded in June last year. I am sorry, it is an increase which has been provided for this current one. Programme Code 0505: Waste Management and Resource Recovery (Rs764,000,000) was, on question put, agreed to. The Chairperson: Hon. Prime Minister!

Mr Chairperson, I move that the Committee of Supply reports progress and asks leave to sit again. The Deputy Prime Minister rose and seconded. Question put and agreed. On the Assembly resuming with the Deputy Speaker in the Chair, the Deputy Speaker reported accordingly.